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	<description>Author of Why We Get Fat and Good Calories, Bad Calories</description>
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		<title>Comment on Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat by Bob wheeler</title>
		<link>http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/#comment-12879</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 00:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but wonder what your reaction is to Carson Chow&#039;s 5/14/12 nytimes article  on his mathematical model of obesity!  I have read most of your articles and your  book on how we get fat. I have had personal success with the Atkin&#039;s Diet. I lost 75 pounds in 1999 and have kept it off through limiting carbs.  The clarity of your writing  has been inspiring for me as it has helped deepen my understanding of why carb reduction works so well. To get back to the first sentence of this paragraph - reading Chow&#039;s article was disturbing. Also disturbing was the attention he received by being in the nytimes. Thank you for your excellent journalism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder what your reaction is to Carson Chow&#8217;s 5/14/12 nytimes article  on his mathematical model of obesity!  I have read most of your articles and your  book on how we get fat. I have had personal success with the Atkin&#8217;s Diet. I lost 75 pounds in 1999 and have kept it off through limiting carbs.  The clarity of your writing  has been inspiring for me as it has helped deepen my understanding of why carb reduction works so well. To get back to the first sentence of this paragraph &#8211; reading Chow&#8217;s article was disturbing. Also disturbing was the attention he received by being in the nytimes. Thank you for your excellent journalism!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat by Arthur Clarke</title>
		<link>http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/#comment-12877</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 12:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, in a month of shifting to a high fat/low carb diet I have already lost an easy 10lbs. (265 to 255 @ 6&#039;5&quot;).  I have noticed that I lose more weight over night than on a normal diet.  Also, my wife, who has also shifted to a low carb diet, has noticed a decline in urge to snack in the middle of the night.

I wonder if anyone has tried the following rather simple research project.  Measure the overnight weight loss of different diets.  Thus, one might assemble two groups of subjects, equally male/female.  One group starts on a normal high carb diet; the other on a low carb diet.  After an appropriate number of weeks the two groups are reversed.  Each evening before going to bed each subject is weighed and again after rising in the morning and going to the bathroom.  Snacking is allowed.  It might be useful to periodically measure lipids to see if and how these are effected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, in a month of shifting to a high fat/low carb diet I have already lost an easy 10lbs. (265 to 255 @ 6&#8217;5&#8243;).  I have noticed that I lose more weight over night than on a normal diet.  Also, my wife, who has also shifted to a low carb diet, has noticed a decline in urge to snack in the middle of the night.</p>
<p>I wonder if anyone has tried the following rather simple research project.  Measure the overnight weight loss of different diets.  Thus, one might assemble two groups of subjects, equally male/female.  One group starts on a normal high carb diet; the other on a low carb diet.  After an appropriate number of weeks the two groups are reversed.  Each evening before going to bed each subject is weighed and again after rising in the morning and going to the bathroom.  Snacking is allowed.  It might be useful to periodically measure lipids to see if and how these are effected.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat by Jim Matthews</title>
		<link>http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/#comment-12876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 06:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gary,
I am loving your book &quot;Why We Get Fat&quot;. I have seen articles before which have proposed similar ideas, but your book puts it all into perspective, and is very readable, so is hard to put down.

However, I read something in the news a couple of days ago, that has me confused. I have been on the internet and checked up on the details, and the article was fairly accurate. 
The headline was &quot;British scientists discover that high fat foods hit the waistline three hours after being eaten&quot;, and was a summary of the findings of Fredrik Karpe, professor of metabolic medicine at Oxford University.  It looks to be based on something much more than an Observational Study. 
The article says, for example: 
&quot;Volunteers were asked to eat foods that contained fatty acids. The pair (Professor Karpe and colleague Keith Frayn) then traced the fat as it was first broken down in the gut and then absorbed into the gut wall before being turned into globules called chylomicrons.
This process took about an hour. The chylomicrons then went into the lymph system and the blood, which carries them around the body quickly.
The process is very fast,&#039; Professor Karpe said. &#039;The cells in the adipose tissue around the waist catch the fat droplets as the blood carries them by, and then incorporate them into the cells for storage.&#039;
So what to do? The scientists found the fatty tissue was only stored around the waist short-term, so could be used for energy when a person is exercising.
However if the person continued to eat excessively, the fat moved to the hips, bottoms and thighs long-term, scientists found.
In fact, Professors Karpe and Frayn found that exercise prompts fat cells to release fat that muscles can use. They also discovered fit people find it easier to burn fat.&quot;

It flies in the face of everything that you are saying in your book, and it disturbs me that his conclusions can be so different from yours.

I still have confidence in your point of view, and I have started to eat as you have prescribed. Too soon to draw any conclusions on weight loss, but I do feel very energised.

Best Regards
Jim Matthews</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gary,<br />
I am loving your book &#8220;Why We Get Fat&#8221;. I have seen articles before which have proposed similar ideas, but your book puts it all into perspective, and is very readable, so is hard to put down.</p>
<p>However, I read something in the news a couple of days ago, that has me confused. I have been on the internet and checked up on the details, and the article was fairly accurate.<br />
The headline was &#8220;British scientists discover that high fat foods hit the waistline three hours after being eaten&#8221;, and was a summary of the findings of Fredrik Karpe, professor of metabolic medicine at Oxford University.  It looks to be based on something much more than an Observational Study.<br />
The article says, for example:<br />
&#8220;Volunteers were asked to eat foods that contained fatty acids. The pair (Professor Karpe and colleague Keith Frayn) then traced the fat as it was first broken down in the gut and then absorbed into the gut wall before being turned into globules called chylomicrons.<br />
This process took about an hour. The chylomicrons then went into the lymph system and the blood, which carries them around the body quickly.<br />
The process is very fast,&#8217; Professor Karpe said. &#8216;The cells in the adipose tissue around the waist catch the fat droplets as the blood carries them by, and then incorporate them into the cells for storage.&#8217;<br />
So what to do? The scientists found the fatty tissue was only stored around the waist short-term, so could be used for energy when a person is exercising.<br />
However if the person continued to eat excessively, the fat moved to the hips, bottoms and thighs long-term, scientists found.<br />
In fact, Professors Karpe and Frayn found that exercise prompts fat cells to release fat that muscles can use. They also discovered fit people find it easier to burn fat.&#8221;</p>
<p>It flies in the face of everything that you are saying in your book, and it disturbs me that his conclusions can be so different from yours.</p>
<p>I still have confidence in your point of view, and I have started to eat as you have prescribed. Too soon to draw any conclusions on weight loss, but I do feel very energised.</p>
<p>Best Regards<br />
Jim Matthews</p>
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		<title>Comment on Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat by Joyce R.</title>
		<link>http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/#comment-12875</link>
		<dc:creator>Joyce R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 03:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah!   Bernstein is great.  He was wayyyy ahead of his time.  Back in the olden days when he was trying to get doctors interested in his method of blood sugar control by doing testing, he was told that they (docs) didn&#039;t see any value in controlling blood sugar!  
OMG!  Some things never change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah!   Bernstein is great.  He was wayyyy ahead of his time.  Back in the olden days when he was trying to get doctors interested in his method of blood sugar control by doing testing, he was told that they (docs) didn&#8217;t see any value in controlling blood sugar!<br />
OMG!  Some things never change!</p>
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		<link>http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/#comment-12874</link>
		<dc:creator>Joyce R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 03:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bawdy,
I learned alot from Nora&#039;s book.  Did you read the part were she discusses the idea that alcoholism may be a severe carbohydrate addiction?  1-2 drinks a night does not sound like an alcoholic, but taking that second drink when you KNOW the consequences, does.  Perhaps it&#039;s as she suggests,  more of a carboholism than an alcoholism?  Ever try giving up alcohol for a month, like she suggests for dairy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bawdy,<br />
I learned alot from Nora&#8217;s book.  Did you read the part were she discusses the idea that alcoholism may be a severe carbohydrate addiction?  1-2 drinks a night does not sound like an alcoholic, but taking that second drink when you KNOW the consequences, does.  Perhaps it&#8217;s as she suggests,  more of a carboholism than an alcoholism?  Ever try giving up alcohol for a month, like she suggests for dairy?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat by Steph</title>
		<link>http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/#comment-12873</link>
		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 15:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nutrition science is definitely necessary, but only insofar as the funding exists to do it well, and excluding as much as possible the reductionism that Gary talks about. Unfortunately,  too many people  (*cough* corn industry, junk food industry, sugar industry) have a vested interest in making sure that the right research doesn&#039;t get done.  That lack of funding severely limits scientists from doing good work.

And let&#039;s not forget that we&#039;re in trouble BECAUSE of the food science that has brought us an abundance of mass-produced industrial soy and corn that later led to High Fructose Corn Syrup, corn oil, soybean oil, and a cheap base for a myriad of junk foods -- which science has used to provide a blank slate on which to add the perfect balance of natural/artificial flavorings (all flavorings are artificial, actually), fat, and sugar to make us crave more. Even though we&#039;re only eating 70% corn in any snack food, they know exactly how to get us to eat more -- which in high-sugar, high-fat foods -- will make us fatter. They also know exactly what to feed us when we&#039;re trying to lose weight, and they probably know it won&#039;t work. Look at all the &quot;diet&quot; foods on the market!

I guess what I&#039;m seeing here is that while people with an interest in real nutrition and human health are going back and forth arguing over the benefits of meat-eating and the benefits of vegetarianism or veganism, the major companies continuing pushing sugar, fat, soy, corn, and refined carbs on the public . Maybe we&#039;re missing the central point?

As Denise Minger points out, if we look at all diets that have produced long-term health benefits for people (including Campbell&#039;s, regardless of the flaws in his study): they tend to emphasize whole foods, avoid processed grain products,  avoid omega-6 oils, and cut out processed sugar entirely. 

If we can all agree that processed grain products and processed sugar are harmful, why don&#039;t we band together to spread that message?  

Until we see a randomized-controlled trial -- which to my knowledge does not exist -- there&#039;s not much evidence that I can&#039;t eat my whole grain quinoa with beans and veggies and be happy. There&#039;s also not much evidence you can&#039;t eat grass-fed meat with veggies.  Any argument to the contrary is an intuition based on our reading (of other scientists or lay authors with their own biases), our observations of others and ourselves, and at the deepest level, our dogma about eating animals. Not exactly a scientific finding.

(In my experience people tend to have an intuition that falls along the spectrum from  &quot;Eating animals is wrong and no one should do it&quot;  to  &quot;Eating animals is my right and no one&#039;s going to tell me I can&#039;t/everyone should do it.&quot; But certainly there are many people who fit into the grey areas! And I would certainly agree that the medical profession is entrenched in an anti-red-meat dogma that many doctors do not question for themselves.)

 &quot;Eat like your ancestors&quot; is not bad advice -- and I don&#039;t see how that diverges from either the spirit of Gary&#039;s message nor that of Michael Pollan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nutrition science is definitely necessary, but only insofar as the funding exists to do it well, and excluding as much as possible the reductionism that Gary talks about. Unfortunately,  too many people  (*cough* corn industry, junk food industry, sugar industry) have a vested interest in making sure that the right research doesn&#8217;t get done.  That lack of funding severely limits scientists from doing good work.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget that we&#8217;re in trouble BECAUSE of the food science that has brought us an abundance of mass-produced industrial soy and corn that later led to High Fructose Corn Syrup, corn oil, soybean oil, and a cheap base for a myriad of junk foods &#8212; which science has used to provide a blank slate on which to add the perfect balance of natural/artificial flavorings (all flavorings are artificial, actually), fat, and sugar to make us crave more. Even though we&#8217;re only eating 70% corn in any snack food, they know exactly how to get us to eat more &#8212; which in high-sugar, high-fat foods &#8212; will make us fatter. They also know exactly what to feed us when we&#8217;re trying to lose weight, and they probably know it won&#8217;t work. Look at all the &#8220;diet&#8221; foods on the market!</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m seeing here is that while people with an interest in real nutrition and human health are going back and forth arguing over the benefits of meat-eating and the benefits of vegetarianism or veganism, the major companies continuing pushing sugar, fat, soy, corn, and refined carbs on the public . Maybe we&#8217;re missing the central point?</p>
<p>As Denise Minger points out, if we look at all diets that have produced long-term health benefits for people (including Campbell&#8217;s, regardless of the flaws in his study): they tend to emphasize whole foods, avoid processed grain products,  avoid omega-6 oils, and cut out processed sugar entirely. </p>
<p>If we can all agree that processed grain products and processed sugar are harmful, why don&#8217;t we band together to spread that message?  </p>
<p>Until we see a randomized-controlled trial &#8212; which to my knowledge does not exist &#8212; there&#8217;s not much evidence that I can&#8217;t eat my whole grain quinoa with beans and veggies and be happy. There&#8217;s also not much evidence you can&#8217;t eat grass-fed meat with veggies.  Any argument to the contrary is an intuition based on our reading (of other scientists or lay authors with their own biases), our observations of others and ourselves, and at the deepest level, our dogma about eating animals. Not exactly a scientific finding.</p>
<p>(In my experience people tend to have an intuition that falls along the spectrum from  &#8220;Eating animals is wrong and no one should do it&#8221;  to  &#8220;Eating animals is my right and no one&#8217;s going to tell me I can&#8217;t/everyone should do it.&#8221; But certainly there are many people who fit into the grey areas! And I would certainly agree that the medical profession is entrenched in an anti-red-meat dogma that many doctors do not question for themselves.)</p>
<p> &#8220;Eat like your ancestors&#8221; is not bad advice &#8212; and I don&#8217;t see how that diverges from either the spirit of Gary&#8217;s message nor that of Michael Pollan.</p>
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		<link>http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/#comment-12872</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 13:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary,
Would you comment on Carson C. Chow&#039;s work at the National Institute of of Diabetic and Digestive and Kidney Diseases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,<br />
Would you comment on Carson C. Chow&#8217;s work at the National Institute of of Diabetic and Digestive and Kidney Diseases.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Biography by What&#8217;s Wrong With Our Fight Against Obesity? &#171; Ideal Diet</title>
		<link>http://garytaubes.com/biography/#comment-12871</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Wrong With Our Fight Against Obesity? &#171; Ideal Diet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 23:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on the new documentary on HBO titled &#8220;The Weight of the Nation.&#8221;  Since author Gary Taubes says it so eloquently, I&#8217;ll just refer you to his article.  I don&#8217;t know the details [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on the new documentary on HBO titled &#8220;The Weight of the Nation.&#8221;  Since author Gary Taubes says it so eloquently, I&#8217;ll just refer you to his article.  I don&#8217;t know the details [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat by Steph</title>
		<link>http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/#comment-12868</link>
		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 05:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science is also highly limited, however -- as I think Gary makes the point.  Behind all science are scientists, who have budgetary constraints, intellectual constraints, and, unfortunately, their own biases (more often than not linked to their funding sources). 

My perspective is, we have to maintain a balance between what we read from science or hear from our doctors, and what makes us feel healthy. Use it, but don&#039;t expect a definitive answer on everything from nutritional science.  Part of the problem is our faith that nutrition science can tell us everything. It&#039;s a great tool, but like any, it has its limits. It is a far cry from being able to tell every single person on the planet what is exactly right for their body.  There are too many variables involved to isolate them all. 

And to advocate for the other side, there is a lot of knowledge within traditional cultures about how to eat (cooking, fermentation, additives).  The older the tradition the better, generally, as it is &quot;time-tested&quot;. It wouldn&#039;t survive on without conveying some benefit to the practitioner. Interestingly, science many times - though not always - confirms the basis for this traditional knowledge.

We need to keep in mind that due to the mechanization of agriculture and rise of technology, the amount and variety of food we produce now is unparalleled to previous years of human existence. Right now we&#039;re kind of part of a huge experiment, that has barely even started, if you consider that processed foods have only really been around for maybe 100 years, 60 years if you consider really processed foods.   But even good science is not a panacea.  We also need our own intuition, our personal experience and observation, and to listen to our bodies telling us what&#039;s working and what&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science is also highly limited, however &#8212; as I think Gary makes the point.  Behind all science are scientists, who have budgetary constraints, intellectual constraints, and, unfortunately, their own biases (more often than not linked to their funding sources). </p>
<p>My perspective is, we have to maintain a balance between what we read from science or hear from our doctors, and what makes us feel healthy. Use it, but don&#8217;t expect a definitive answer on everything from nutritional science.  Part of the problem is our faith that nutrition science can tell us everything. It&#8217;s a great tool, but like any, it has its limits. It is a far cry from being able to tell every single person on the planet what is exactly right for their body.  There are too many variables involved to isolate them all. </p>
<p>And to advocate for the other side, there is a lot of knowledge within traditional cultures about how to eat (cooking, fermentation, additives).  The older the tradition the better, generally, as it is &#8220;time-tested&#8221;. It wouldn&#8217;t survive on without conveying some benefit to the practitioner. Interestingly, science many times &#8211; though not always &#8211; confirms the basis for this traditional knowledge.</p>
<p>We need to keep in mind that due to the mechanization of agriculture and rise of technology, the amount and variety of food we produce now is unparalleled to previous years of human existence. Right now we&#8217;re kind of part of a huge experiment, that has barely even started, if you consider that processed foods have only really been around for maybe 100 years, 60 years if you consider really processed foods.   But even good science is not a panacea.  We also need our own intuition, our personal experience and observation, and to listen to our bodies telling us what&#8217;s working and what&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat by Kathy</title>
		<link>http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/#comment-12864</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 07:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both of these are utter pseudo-science.  Here&#039;s what Dr. Harriet Hall has to say about Esselstyn (and also Ornish and Campbell):   http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/bill-clintons-diet/   
Here&#039;s a more detailed dismantling of Campbell&#039;s book by Dr. Mike Eades:  http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cancer/the-china-study-vs-the-china-study/#more-4213.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both of these are utter pseudo-science.  Here&#8217;s what Dr. Harriet Hall has to say about Esselstyn (and also Ornish and Campbell):   <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/bill-clintons-diet/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/bill-clintons-diet/</a><br />
Here&#8217;s a more detailed dismantling of Campbell&#8217;s book by Dr. Mike Eades:  <a href="http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cancer/the-china-study-vs-the-china-study/#more-4213" rel="nofollow">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cancer/the-china-study-vs-the-china-study/#more-4213</a>.</p>
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